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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2009, 07:06:30 PM »

Aussie: No apologies necessary.  I should not have posted that in the public forum.  I have sent you a PM with more details.  And we can disagree on stuff and still work together to support our local team.

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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2009, 08:40:57 AM »

I challenge anyone to make the argument to the public that a downtown stadium is a good idea. Do we forget the huge success of the Alamodome? What a money-maker and job creator that is, huh?!?! The only way a downtown stadium would work is if it was part of a larger master-planned revitalization or municipal improvement district. It's all about creating value for the 3 main stakeholder (ownership, municipality and league) and a stand-alone SSS ranks the lowest in "ideal-type" risk management and  success criteria versus a major multi-use SSS development featuring other economic "ideal-type" success elements (i.e. hospitality, commercial, residential, youth soccer complex, entertainment, medical, etc.)
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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2009, 01:15:37 PM »

I challenge anyone to make the argument to the public that a downtown stadium is a good idea.
Most people think that all the team has to do is pick a place to play
not realizing all the negotiations, investments, deals that have to be done to make it possible to play in a nice place.

The cheaper the land, the more likely it would be for a team to own their own stadium.
and downtown San Antonio is not going to be cheap or free.
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« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2009, 05:53:22 PM »

I understand there would be a lot of negotiating needed to use one of the existing SA stadiums, what I don't get about that, is football (soccer) so underrated in this country that people would rather have stadiums lie dormant with noone using them than have a pro-football team there?
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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2009, 11:37:26 AM »

Danilo,

You are smart and understand, but there are so many other lay folks that just don't get it. It's a very difficult, dynamic, comprehensive process and involves many key stakeholders. It gets even exponentially more difficult to do these kinds of urban multi-use SSS development deals when you have a City Hall and major city players that don't get it as well. Our job is to make sure we have a sound, viable and sellable plan that makes sense to the league, the city, the fans and of course, our ownership group.
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« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2009, 06:13:50 PM »

Our job is to make sure we have a sound, viable and sellable plan that makes sense to the league, the city, the fans and of course, our ownership group.

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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2009, 06:14:23 AM »

Our job is to make sure we have a sound, viable and sellable plan that makes sense to the league, the city, the fans and of course, our ownership group.

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« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2009, 06:42:14 AM »

Our job is to make sure we have a sound, viable and sellable plan that makes sense to the league, the city, the fans and of course, our ownership group.

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Absolutely agree, that is the most important thing, whatever league, and stadium is involved.

As an aside how much does the city actually have to be involved in either scenario?
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« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2009, 12:55:34 PM »

Lots. Qualitatively and quantitatively. Not to mention visionary politics with global perspective which our city struggles with often. SA has a long way to go but it's always a work-in-progress. Tempered optimism.
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« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2009, 07:47:46 PM »

Lots. Qualitatively and quantitatively. Not to mention visionary politics with global perspective which our city struggles with often. SA has a long way to go but it's always a work-in-progress. Tempered optimism.

That's really interesting, as it was totally different here, we didn't need the government involved at all for our bid for an A-League team to succeed. Which was nice.
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« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2009, 05:09:29 PM »

Interesting, Aussie.

Municipal stakeholdership is essential in any business environment, especially when the aggregate community is influenced by this type of sports environment, especially when a stadium deal is a necessary aspect of the success elements not to mention the corporate community, etc. Not sure how you didn't involved your governmental authorities. How is that possible when it affects the community so much?   
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« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2009, 09:05:25 PM »

Interesting, Aussie.

Municipal stakeholdership is essential in any business environment, especially when the aggregate community is influenced by this type of sports environment, especially when a stadium deal is a necessary aspect of the success elements not to mention the corporate community, etc. Not sure how you didn't involved your governmental authorities. How is that possible when it affects the community so much?   

They don't own the stadium so there was no problem there, the community were behind us anyway and local government doesn't really have much influence on anyone here. They are onside and behind us (our club covers two local government boundaries) but we didn't involve them at the bid set up, and have only ever had one Member of Government on our board (who actually resigned when they were elected, which was good for us as she ended up in a bit of a scandal)
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« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2009, 10:46:52 PM »

They don't own the stadium so there was no problem there, the community were behind us anyway and local government doesn't really have much influence on anyone here. They are onside and behind us (our club covers two local government boundaries) but we didn't involve them at the bid set up, and have only ever had one Member of Government on our board (who actually resigned when they were elected, which was good for us as she ended up in a bit of a scandal)
In South America is very rare to find a team that owns their stadium.
Most of them are owned by the city or state governments.

San Antonio is funny, because we have a stadium but ... we don't have a team.
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« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2009, 09:43:52 AM »

The Alamodome is not a good stadium for MLS or NASL. Too big, not natural grass.
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« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2009, 08:20:45 PM »

They don't own the stadium so there was no problem there, the community were behind us anyway and local government doesn't really have much influence on anyone here. They are onside and behind us (our club covers two local government boundaries) but we didn't involve them at the bid set up, and have only ever had one Member of Government on our board (who actually resigned when they were elected, which was good for us as she ended up in a bit of a scandal)
In South America is very rare to find a team that owns their stadium.
Most of them are owned by the city or state governments.

San Antonio is funny, because we have a stadium but ... we don't have a team.
That is indeed the very odd thing in San Antonio. For us we don't actually own the stadium but nor does the local government, it's a privately owned thing.

I agree about the Alamo, with the grass thing, Seattle Sounders, get real grass and we'll call you a real team, as for too big, I get the idea, but if you get in cheap I'm not worried.
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